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Monday, August 02, 2010

Discussion

This weekend I was asked my thoughts about the Patterson/Gimlin film.  One thing I realize is that there is no way we will EVER know the God's honest truth because we were not there.  All we have to go on is hearsay and speculation and other people's theories.

Many have analyzed the film up, down and sideways and still cannot conclude with 100% authority that the film is real or fake.

I do not know all of the circumstances that lead up to the filming, and I was hoping that many of you will be able to give me your thoughts and opinions and theories, maybe shed some light on areas of which I am not aware.

What bearing is there to the fact that Rene Dahinden and John Greene were at Bluff Creek  prior to the filiming?

Was there really a terrible rain storm the night of October 20, 1967 that washed out the go road?

In 1967, how was it possible that a private plane was accessed so quickly after the filming?

So many questions.  Can someone answer these questions?  Share your thoughts.

I do have one observation to make.  I was at the Bluff Creek location last August and the terrain was rough.  As you can tell from the 1967 film footage, Roger was stumbling as he was chasing after the creature.  He finally had to stop and rest the camera upon a fallen tree so that he could film steadily.  In my opinion, a large man, wearing a heavy costume, would NOT have been able to traverse across that terrain with such ease and swiftness.  As you can tell in the Patterson film, Patty strides easily and purposefully across the creek and up into the treeline.

I would really like more input on this matter because I have not read every book or blog or article and I would like to know what other details I may be missing, or opinions that you might have to shed light on the subject.

6 comments:

  1. Comment from Thom Cantrall
    I tried to post a note on that site, and it confused the hell out of me... so, I'll post it here... less confusing for an olde farte...

    I have a couple of points to make regarding this film. First, the best forensic film analysts in the wo...rld have analyzed this film and NONE have ever said it's faked. Recently, on the History Channel, I watched a sequence where an analysis team began with a 1st generation copy of the original film and found that, not only was there NO evidence of fakery, but even showed evidence of heretofore uncommented facts. Foremost of these was the contraction of facial muscles evident when she contorted her lips and nostrils. These are things you cannot do in a suit... especially not a suit made 43 yrs ago.

    Second and even more telling to me is a concept Dr. Meldrum wrote on called "Intermembral Index", basically the ratio of arm length to leg length. I treated with this at length in an essay I published that is now on my website at http://www.ghostsofrubyridge.com/counterfeit-cryptids/

    Lastly, and, for me, most compelling occurred in June 2010 when I sat face to face with the surviving member of the team doing the filming as we talked, witness to witness, and he told me, "Thom, when that film was shot there were only three beings in that canyon... Roger, Me and Patty... NO ONE ELSE was there..." Bob Gimlin is an honorable person, he is honest and he is trustworthy... I need no more to convince me of the veracity of this work.
    Thom

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  2. To the best of my knowledge, understanding, and reading Mr. Gimlin's never changed his story of what happend that day and it has been consistent over all these years. That says alot to me. If it was a hoax he certainly had no knowledge and that would be darn hard for anyone to pull off in the film location.

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  3. I think,without a shadow of doubt,that Patty is 100 percent REAL sasquatch. I had a sighting of my own back in 89 so the question of whether they exist is not one I ponder anymore and I think Mr. Gimlin feels the same way. Patty is real folks,when you put everything in perspective it is almost impossible that it was hoaxed. I know that I have trouble remembering what I did yesterday so when Green and Gimlin have trouble remembering certain parts..cut them some slack,heck,I'm 44 and have trouble with my memory.

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  4. Sharon, you'd asked: "What bearing is there to the fact that Rene Dahinden and John Greene were at Bluff Creek prior to the filming?"

    NO BEARING AT ALL, SAVE THAT THERE WERE PRIOR FOOTPRINT FINDS IN AUGUST UP ON THE ROAD ABOVE BLUFF CREEK, AND IN THE CREEKBED BELOW. IT WAS THESE FOOTPRINTS FINDS THAT BROUGHT PATTERSON DOWN TO INVESTIGATE, AFTER AL HODGSON CALLED HIM UPON JOHN GREEN'S ENCOURAGEMENT.

    You'd asked: "Was there really a terrible rain storm the night of October 20, 1967 that washed out the go road?"

    YES, IT RAINED HARD, AND THE LOWER CREEK-SIDE ROAD WAS COVERED IN MUDSLIDES. THEY TRIED TO GO UP THE ROAD FROM LOUSE CAMP TO ONION MOUNTAIN, BUT THE TRUCK GOT STUCK. THEY RETRIEVED A TRACTOR FROM THE ROAD CONSTRUCTION AT THE TOP OF THE RIDGE AND USED IT TO PULL THE TRUCK UP THE REST OF THE WAY. THE G-O ROAD WAS NOT INVOLVED, AS THAT IS TO THE NORTH AND WAS NOT USED BY THESE GUYS. THEY USED THE ROAD UP INTO BLUFF CREEK FROM THE SOUTH

    You'd asked: "In 1967, how was it possible that a private plane was accessed so quickly after the filming?"

    MURRAY FIELD OUTSIDE OF EUREKA IS A SMALL PRIVATE AIRPORT, FULL OF PRIVATE PLANES OF HOBBYISTS, AND YES, TRANSPORT COMPANIES. BACK THEN THERE WOULD BE EVEN MORE NEED FOR SUCH AIR DELIVERY COURIERS, AS FED-EX AND UPS-TYPE SERVICES WERE NOT AS WIDELY USED OR AVAILABLE THEN. THIS POINT, THAT THERE WAS A PRIVATE COURIER SERVICE THERE AVAILABLE 24 HOURS A DAY WAS CONFIRMED BY CHRISTOPHER MURPHY.

    ANY MORE QUESTIONS?

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  5. Steven, I am asking legitimate questions. I have heard the story first hand from Bob Gimlin himself as you have heard from him many times. I am offering this thread for others to join in who may have questions that I haven't thought of.

    Thank you for your participation! :)

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  6. Original, first-hand documentation of the PGF timeline and events can be found in John Green's SASQUATCH: APES AMONG US. His ON THE TRACK OF BIGFOOT has some good information, too. Actually, though it is modern, Jeff Meldrum does a great job in consolidating and clarifying the sequence of events in SASQUATCH: LEGEND MEETS SCIENCE. Two other books are absolutely required to know the essential information about the film and its surrounding circumstances. These are Daniel Perez' BIGFOOT AT BLUFF CREEK (available from him or from Bigfoot Books, bigfootbooks@gmail.com) and of course Christopher Murhpy's BIGFOOT FILM JOURNAL (Hancock House or by special order from Bigfoot Books). There are still remaining questions, or else contradictory statements that cannot be fully resolved. We explored a lot of this in our interview with Al Hodgson, found on my blog, http://bigfootbooksblog.blogspot.com/ (see links to left of page). The timeline reporting is just plain odd, as some think that P & G went over Bald Hills Road to Eureka first (Al says Roger said this), but Gimlin has many times said they went to Willow Creek directly, then to Eureka. That this cannot be fully resolved is almost certainly just a fault of memory and small misunderstandings or mis-statements; it does not mean that the film was hoaxed or that Bob or Roger or Al are telling lies. See if you can remember any particular day from 40+ years ago with perfect accuracy. It is impossible.

    Best,
    Steve, Bigfoot Book

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